In
this
episode,
I
welcome
Lisa
Sarnoff
Gochman,
an
appellate
lawyer
and
author
of
the
book
At
the
Altar
of
the
Appellate
Gods:
Arguing
before
the
US
Supreme
Court,
to
talk
about
how
her
career
shifted
from
being
in
law
school
to
being
an
appellate
lawyer
who
has
spent
the
last
40
years
writing.
Lisa
also
discusses
how
an
appellate
attorney
is
different
from
a
lawyer
doing
trial
work.
She
recalls
how
she
worked
her
way
up
from
the
Bronx
District
Attorney’s
office
to
the
New
Jersey
Supreme
Court
and
ended
up
working
on
a
case
that
went
all
the
way
to
the
US
Supreme
Court.
The
Jabot
podcast
is
an
offshoot
of
the
Above
the
Law
brand
focused
on
the
challenges
women,
people
of
color,
LGBTQIA,
and
other
diverse
populations
face
in
the
legal
industry.
Our
name
comes
from
none
other
than
the
Notorious
Ruth
Bader
Ginsburg
and
the
jabot
(decorative
collar)
she
wore
when
delivering
dissents
from
the
bench.
It’s
a
reminder
that
even
when
we
aren’t
winning,
we’re
still
a
powerful
force
to
be
reckoned
with.
Happy
listening!
Kathryn
Rubino
is
a
Senior
Editor
at
Above
the
Law,
host
of
The
Jabot
podcast,
and
co-host
of
Thinking
Like
A
Lawyer.
AtL
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Feel
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