Investigation Surfaces Following Dave Portnoy’s Tweets About Jose Canseco Taking A Dive

Barstool Sports deserves all the credit in the world for its efforts to raise money for small businesses that have been crushed by the coronavirus pandemic. As of the morning of February 15, The Barstool Fund has raised more than $35 million and supported 258 businesses.

The edgy company with its provocative president, Dave Portnoy, is not afraid to push the envelope on almost any issue. Sometimes, it is for the good of society and, at other times, the words uttered by Portnoy have the potential to put his own company at risk. A case in point concerns recent developments surrounding Barstool Sports’ Rough N’ Rowdy (RnR) event that took place in early February and featured a fight between former Major League Baseball player Jose Canseco and Barstool Sports’ intern Billy Football.

The fight lasted 10 seconds. People who paid to watch the event may have been upset that it was a very short-lived form of entertainment, but that is not the concern now, a couple of weeks after the fight. Instead, the issue is whether Canseco took a dive, which is exactly what Portnoy tweeted after the match.

“Jose [Canseco] 100% took a dive. We paid half up front and he got double if he won,” Portnoy tweeted. “We thought that would ensure he’d fight. We were wrong.”

He added, “Jose [Canseco] didn’t fight. He laid down in 5 seconds. We will now add a morality clause in future contracts[.]”

The lasting concern is that people actually bet on the outcome of the fight. While Barstool Sportsbook took the proper approach in voiding all bets that were placed on Canseco to prevail, that does not mean that the company is necessarily out of the woods on this issue.

According to PlayMichigan, a governing body in West Virginia is investigating the event that featured Canseco’s fight. That governing body, the State Athletic Commission, sanctioned the event and has reportedly not committed to sanctioning any future Rough N’ Rowdy cards.

Portnoy would be wise to exercise caution in the future when tweeting about the circumstances surrounding events that his company promotes and also accepts wagers on. His company is so completely involved in all aspects of the event that what seems like harmless commentary in the form of calling out Canseco for “taking a dive” can become a real concern in the legal, regulated sports betting space.

Taking all of the above into consideration, I am definitely hoping for a future Rough N’ Rowdy event featuring a fight between Barstool Sports’ PFT Commenter and The Action Network’s Darren Rovell.


Darren Heitner is the founder of Heitner Legal. He is the author of How to Play the Game: What Every Sports Attorney Needs to Know, published by the American Bar Association, and is an adjunct professor at the University of Florida Levin College of Law. You can reach him by email at heitner@gmail.com and follow him on Twitter at @DarrenHeitner.

6 Things New York Attorneys Need To Know About The New Surrogacy Law

You may have heard of the new New York Child Parent Security Act (CPSA). No? Well let me tell you about it. It passed last session, as part of Governor Andrew Cuomo’s budget, and officially became effective as of yesterday, February 15, 2021. Happy Presidents’ Day, everyone!

Although Cuomo certainly has become known for other, less successful, moments in the past 12 months, the CPSA, by contrast, is a major success. Aside from Gloria Steinem’s strange arguments that the CPSA is a mistake, and that the government *should* control women’s choices over their bodies and pregnancy, what do New York attorneys need to know about the new law?

  1. Compensated Surrogacy Is Now Legal. The biggest change created by the law is the reversal of New York’s 30-year ban on surrogacy, which prohibited and criminalized compensated gestational surrogacy arrangements. Now, a couple in New York can work with a New York gestational surrogate (previously, they would have had to go out of state) and compensate her for her time and effort. So now Phoebe from Friends can be compensated for carrying those triplets! Instead of going to jail!
  2. “Traditional” Surrogacy Is Still Illegal.To be clear, the CPSA only legalizes the use of compensated gestational surrogacy. This is where a woman undergoes the transfer of an embryo, genetically unrelated to her, to her uterus, and carries to birth a child not genetically related to her. By contrast, “traditional” or “genetic” surrogacy is where the surrogate is the provider of the egg half of the sperm and egg combo that result in a child. That form of surrogacy, if compensated, is still prohibited under New York law.
  3. The Surrogate Bill of Rights. Compensated gestational surrogacy is now permitted, but it isn’t just a free for all. The CPSA provides clear and specific protections for those New Yorkers who raise their hands to be surrogates. These rights are contained within the “Surrogate Bill of Rights,” and include the following protections, among others, for the gestational carrier:
  • The right to make medical decisions concerning her own health and well-being.
  • The right to health and life insurance to be paid for by the intended parents.
  • The right to psychological counseling.
  • The right to independent New York legal counsel and to the right to choose such attorney.
  • The right to walk away from an agreement prior to pregnancy without penalty.
  1. Attorney Representation is Required. When intended parents and gestational carriers enter into a surrogacy contract together under the CPSA, each side is required to have independent legal counsel. Intended parents, per the CPSA, must pay for the gestational carrier’s attorney. And the attorneys must be licensed to practice law in New York. So … full employment for the assisted reproductive technology attorneys of New York!
  2. Estate Planning Attorneys Also Required. All you New York estate planning attorneys should also get excited. You may already be valiantly trying to convince the general public that having an estate plan is really important and in each person’s best interests, like teeth brushing, but now there is a law requiring it! The estate planning part, not the teeth brushing part. Pursuant to the CPSA, intended parents in a surrogacy arrangement are required to put estate planning documents in place, naming the guardian of a child conceived through a surrogacy arrangement. This must be completed before any conception takes place.
  3. Matching Agencies Have To Be Licensed (And Can’t Also Provide Legal Representation). It might seem tempting to start a side gig matching hopeful local intended parents and surrogates. But maybe hold off on that in New York. The CPSA provides that matching entities (agencies) are required to be licensed by the New York Department of Health. And an attorney cannot represent a party to a surrogacy arrangement and also own or manage the agency or matching program participating in facilitating the arrangement.

These points are, as you can imagine, merely the tip of the iceberg. For more information, check out these informational interviews by my own firm’s New York ART attorney, Rachel Wexler, who spoke with noted New York legal experts, including many who were instrumental in drafting the CPSA and advocating for its passage over the past decade.

Denise Seidelman, New York assisted reproductive technology attorney and a Director of the New York Attorneys for Adoption and Family Formation (NYAAFF), a major force behind the CPSA, explained that “because New York is one of the last states to allow compensated surrogacy, the legislature had the benefit of the knowledge gained in this field across the country. As a result, the detailed requirements of the CPSA ensure that only surrogacy arrangements employing best practices will be legally enforceable.”

So buckle up New Yorkers. It’s a whole new world in the Empire State, for the better. But make sure you understand the law before you dive into the deep end of assisted reproductive technology issues. With new laws brings lots of opportunities, including … opportunities to get it wrong.


Ellen Trachman is the Managing Attorney of Trachman Law Center, LLC, a Denver-based law firm specializing in assisted reproductive technology law, and co-host of the podcast I Want To Put A Baby In You. You can reach her at babies@abovethelaw.com.

The Perfect Way To Compare Biglaw Firms Is Here

Figuring out which Biglaw firm to join is an important decision. Not only does it impact the kind of work you get to do, it gives your career a particular trajectory, and can have a massive influence on your sense of well being and mental health. But how do you know which firm is right for you?

Some folks will tell you to rely on your gut instinct, and that’s important — of course it is! But the interview process — no matter how thorough — is designed to only give you a small window into a firm, and a favorable one at that. Think about it, no firm has the ill-tempered partner conducting interviews. So, you try to delve into mountains of data about firms, but digging through everything to make sure you make an apples to apples comparison can be difficult. LOTS of firms say they pay market bonuses, but a firm that only ponies up market bonuses at 2,100 hours is very different than one with no hours requirement.

So, to help you sort through all that data, Above the Law is launching the Law Firm Transparency Directory, powered by Leopard Data Solutions. We give you easy access to the intel you really need to make these incredibly important decisions. Yes, the basic info is there like the salary deets, bonus numbers with hours requirements, and head count. But so is some deep stuff, like average length of attorney tenure, promotion rate, the caregiver leave available, a full list of benefits, the legal superstars at the firm, whether the firm has a mandatory arbitration clause, and — of course — some selected Above the Law coverage to get a real sense of what life at the firm is like. The directory is currently populated with the top 50 Biglaw firms, but we’re working to expand it.

Plus, you can select a limited number of firms (like, for instance the two firms you have offers from) and create a personalized direct comparison between them. It really is the ideal way to compare and contrast Biglaw firms you’re thinking about working at.


headshotKathryn Rubino is a Senior Editor at Above the Law, and host of The Jabot podcast. AtL tipsters are the best, so please connect with her. Feel free to email her with any tips, questions, or comments and follow her on Twitter (@Kathryn1).

Documentaries, Social Media Campaigns, And Paparazzi: Public Fascination And Inquiry Into Britney Spears’s Conservatorship

Britney Spears (Photo by Jason Merritt/Getty)

Holding degrees in both theatre and law, I continue to be interested in Britney Spears and her multitude of life and professional achievements, despite her consistent legal challenges. I fondly remember the very moment in college, when I first heard the iconic Hit Me Baby One More Time, and how Spears’ talent excited everyone in the ’90s as she made colorful hits in a music world that was dominated by men in the form of boy bands, alternative music, and rap.  

Fast forward two decades and now, as a guardianship and trusts and estates attorney, like many, I watch Spears’s personal conservatorship unfold publicly in the media. Perhaps now I am even more taken with Spears, and how her professional successes continue to compete with her legal affairs. Even more impressively is how Spears, whether intentionally or not, remains relevant in pop culture and inspires and concerns fans of new generations as evidenced by the social media movement, #freeBritney.

Spears’s conservatorship has informed the public of a complicated and often private legal arrangement that is not frequently reported, except of course when it involves a famous or wealthy individual or a contentious situation.  Spears’s case hits both marks and  makes for a great study in conservatorships of interest not only to attorneys, but to the general public. This is best evidenced by Hulu’s release of a New York Times  documentary entitled Framing Britney Spears. This is just one of many podcasts, articles, and films about Spears. Netflix is set to release their own documentary in the near future.

Spears’s conservatorship began in Los Angeles in 2008 and the news has continued to steadily cover the applications, resignations, and opposition. The preminent issue continues to be what role, Spears’s father, Jamie Spears, should hold in the arrangement. Currently, he serves a co-conservator of her property alongside Bessemer Trust, a financial institution. Spears does not want her father to continue to serve. Recently Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Brenda Penny denied Jamie Spears’s objections to Bessemer Trust equally serving together with him. The financial institution was appointed in November 2020. At that time the Court denied Spears’s application to remove her father as conservator. Jodi Montgomery remains the personal conservator.

For those of us who work in the field of conservatorships, often called “guardianships,” the drama and emotion described in Spears’ case is common. A guardianship is often granted when an individual  is unable to manage his or her own property or personal needs. Although guardianships often arise amongst the senior population, who may have diminished capacity as they age, it may also be applicable to younger individuals if they suffer from disabilities, functional limitations or are vulnerable enough to be subjected to undue influence. Depending on the particular situation, a guardian can exercise complete or limited control. Often family members battle each other to take control and sometimes no one wants the responsibility and an independent attorney or professional is appointed.

Spears’s talent is undeniable as is her likability. Her small-town roots and tremendous talent are aptly chronicled in Framing Britney which shows her rise to fame and the many trials she has faced. This includes the mistreatment of those closest to her, in addition to the media and paparazzi. The documentary reveals Spears’s life, on display to the world, whether it involves her children, her marriages, break ups, anger, and finally, the conservatorship. It also shows the waves of support from her fans, her financial successes, her Instagram posts, and the various movements to assist her. Those interviewed describe how Spears was constantly scrutinized and suggest various theories and reasons for such. Neither Spears nor her parents or guardians appear in the documentary.

Although I recognize that the documentary is not a continuing legal education on conservatorships, it is important to note that it does not delve into the mechanics of a conservatorship, the standard of proof required for the issuance of a conservator, and the confidential details of Spears’s case. It does not speak to the supervision of guardians and their reporting requirements. The documentary does highlight, however, the obvious questions, including why someone with such talent and ability requires a conservator. Unfortunately, without a complete file before us, we are ill-equipped to decide whether Spears requires a conservator. That issue is left to a judge based on the evidence presented. What we do know, however, is that which Spears wants and does not want and that appears to be directly before the Los Angeles Court.

As a practitioner, the most poignant part of the documentary  for me, was the interview of Adam Streisand, Esq., who had met with Spears at the commencement of the conservatorship proceeding at the recommendation of  family lawyers. According to Streisand, he assessed Spears’s ability to retain counsel and appeared on her behalf in Court. In conservatorships, the alleged incapacitated person has counsel appointed for her or may retain her own attorney, ultimately if permitted by the court. As reported, the Court ruled that Spears was unable to make the decision to hire her own counsel and instead appointed counsel on her behalf. This brief segment of Framing Britney speaks to the difficulties in fully understanding any conservatorship proceeding. The files are not all available for public viewing and, as such, we are not permitted to see that upon which judges have based their decisions.  Notably, Streisand states that from the beginning Spears did not want her father to serve as her conservator.

The privacy of a conservatorship proceeding is what leads Spears’s supporters to look for clues on her Instagram posts to see if she is asking for help and what makes us all wonder, how someone so successful can be under Court supervision. But then again, is Spears successful and still relevant because of the conservatorship? Is she being cared for in the best possible way?

In this case it would seem that a most urgent issue is whether Jamie Spears should continue to serve as conservator for Spears. Spears has stated that she does not want him to, and it has been reported that she is afraid of him. Absolutely Spears should feel comfortable with her conservator and with the powers asserted over her. In this kind of situation, Spears will never be happy with the situation, however, she has every right to have representation and make her views heard. We the public are not at liberty to state whether Spears’ case does or does not meet the burden to sustain a continued conservatorship as we do not have the complete file before us. Like other court proceedings, we are left to trust the legal system and the procedures set in place to appoint a conservator, monitor their actions, and hear the concerns of the individual. We can hope that the light shed on the matter by the #freeBritney campaign and related documentaries, will ensure that her voice is heard, although, like Spears herself, the interplay between the media and the conservatorship is complicated.


Cori A. Robinson is a solo practitioner having founded Cori A. Robinson PLLC, a New York and New Jersey law firm, in 2017. For more than a decade Cori has focused her law practice on trusts and estates and elder law including estate and Medicaid planning, probate and administration, estate litigation, and guardianships. She can be reached at cori@robinsonestatelaw.com.

The New Gender Dynamics Of The U.S. Courts Of Appeals

Ed note: We are pleased to welcome the writers of The Juris Lab, where this article first appeared, to our pages. Founded by quantitative legal analytics expert and Empirical SCOTUS creator Adam Feldman, The Juris Lab is a forum where “data analytics meets the law.”

In a speech that garnered much public attention entitled “A Latina Judge’s Voice” then-Judge Sonia Sotomayor spoke about the importance of individuals with diverse life experience on the federal bench. Two aspects of diversity Sotomayor raised related to race and gender. What is the importance of difference? Sotomayor explained, “Whether born from experience or inherent physiological or cultural differences … our gender and national origins may and will make a difference in our judging.” 

Nearly 20 years after this speech, there still is much room to add dimensions of diversity to the federal bench (here is a link to a previous post looking at aspects of judges’ diversity by appointing president).  Specifically, the federal bench continues to be dominated by men. The balance of men and women on the federal courts of appeals present a microcosm of this dilemma as no federal circuit has more women than men on the bench. The breakdown of judges by sex is presented below:

Some of the statistics are noteworthy are worth illuminating. First, the circuit with the most men is the 9th.  The 9th Circuit also has more female judges than any circuit. The circuit with the greatest gender imbalance with a ten to one ratio is the 8th.  Finally, the only evenly balanced circuit is the 11th. 

Trump’s confirmed nominees to the federal courts of appeals were heavily male dominated, as he did not appoint more women than men to any of the circuits during his four years as president.

Trump appointed only men to the 2nd, 3rd, and 8th Circuits. On the other side of the coin he appointed an even number of men and women to the 10th and 11th circuits. Trump’s impact on the face of the federal courts of appeals, however, was significant. The only circuits he did not appoint any judges to were the 1st and Federal Circuits. The following graph shows the percentage of active judge seats Trump filled on each circuit, moving from the most impacted circuits to the least.

These bars demonstrate that Trump filled over one-third of the seats on more than half of the federal circuits. Although he did little to overturn the gender imbalance on the federal courts of appeal, he changed the faces of federal judging for years to come.

Justice Sotomayor, toward the end of her speech, warned that, “There is always a danger embedded in relative morality, but since judging is a series of choices that we must make, that I am forced to make, I hope that I can make them by informing myself on the questions I must not avoid asking and continuously pondering.” This question of the sociodemographic dimensions of the future of the federal bench remains open-ended and is one piece of the puzzle that future presidents may or may not wish to resolve. With the first female vice president now about to hold office, expectations are high for this gender imbalance in the federal courts to be diminished from its current state.

Read more over at Juris Lab … 

Attention Tech-Perplexed Lawyers: The Non-Event Is Here!  

It’s no secret that lawyers’ technology adoption is often begrudging, at best. And the prospect of a tech conference triggers thoughts of boredom and missed billables.

That’s why we’ve launched the ATL Non-Event. 

We’re bringing the technology conversation to lawyers directly: in plain English and geared to meet a fully booked schedule. With any luck, it will even be “fun.” 

The Non-Event is conducted in partnership with our affiliate Evolve the Law, as well as the Legal Tech Publishing, whose buyers guides are the go-to resource for all purchasers of legal tech.

Our first installment of the Non-Event focuses on practice management software — the backbone of a modern-day small firm or solo practice. Throughout the year, we’ll explore additional topics as varied as eDiscovery platforms, KPIs and reporting tools, cybersecurity, and legal research.

Our virtual gathering will include a regular podcast hosted by Jared Correia of “Legal Toolkit,” who will walk lawyers through the latest developments in these areas. We’ll also feature product reviews, expert analysis, and more. 

Once you’ve done your initial research, you can download the most comprehensive buyers guides available — and turn what you’ve learned into an upgrade to your practice. 

You’ll hear from:

  • AbacusNext 
  • Clio
  • Filevine
  • Foxit
  • Matter 365
  • Moxtra
  • MyCase
  • SmartAdvocate 
  • Tabs3 
  • Zola Suite

Click here for your virtual trip to the ATL Non-Event. Increased efficiency, cash flow upgrades, and happy clients await! 

Swag bags, however, are still a work in progress. 

Top 25 Biglaw Firm Updates Bonus Policy: Special Bonuses For All, Plus Supplemental Bonuses!

It may be the middle of February 2021, but Biglaw’s 2020 bonus season is still rolling. Which top 25 Biglaw firm knew how to make its associates’ Valentine’s Day extra special this year?

That would be Paul Hastings, a firm that brought in $1,268,910,000 gross revenue in 2019, landing it in the 24th spot on the most recent Am Law 100 ranking. If you recall, back in December 2020, the firm announced its year-end bonuses, and of course included special bonuses. Here’s the scale:

At the time, those special bonuses were only available for “qualifying associates”, i.e., those who had billed enough. Associates were understandably very upset.

This past Friday, the firm announced an update about its regular bonuses and special bonuses that was sure to please all associates.

As an expression of the Firm’s gratitude for the contribution of our associates to the success of our clients throughout the year, we are pleased to announce that associates who qualify for a Year-End Bonus but did not receive the Special Bonus in December will be awarded the Special Bonus in March in addition to their Year-End Bonus.

Supplemental bonuses may also be awarded to associates who have made exceptional contributions in the past year. An award that exceeds the baseline bonus is a significant achievement.

That’s right: Everyone who qualified for a regular bonus will now receive a special bonus, too. On top of that, supplemental bonuses are now on the table. Paul Hastings sure knows how to make its associates feel loved. Congratulations to all!

(Flip to the next page to see the full memo from Paul Hastings.)

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Staci ZaretskyStaci Zaretsky is a senior editor at Above the Law, where she’s worked since 2011. She’d love to hear from you, so please feel free to email her with any tips, questions, comments, or critiques. You can follow her on Twitter or connect with her on LinkedIn.

Why The Mid-Market May Be The Prime Market For Tech Development

There’s always a splash when an elite firm announces a partnership with a new legal technology firm. But as we discussed on Legaltech Week last episode, there are pitfalls with firm partnerships. Big firms can see the product as their proprietary tool and impede development by driving innovation toward their own parochial needs. With all the fanfare, a company just might set themselves up with a pair of golden handcuffs.

But products aren’t getting anywhere without user feedback. Perhaps the answer is the oft-overlooked mid-market.

This idea really hit me while catching up with Will Norton of SimplyAgree during the Legalweek virtual festivities. SimplyAgree rolled out version 2.0 of its deal management tool in October and it already appears to be taking off like gangbusters, with December seeing the company’s biggest month of activity with about double the engagement. As one might expect, all the credit goes to the feedback the company gathered from its earlier release and constant engagement with users to find out what people want and to probe them with questions like, “But if we built this again from scratch, how should it look?”

Every time I talk to Norton, he makes a great counter-intuitive point. Over the summer, he told me that, even though it seems more labor-intensive, the company had stepped up individualized trainings rather than stick with the usual group setting during the pandemic because they were getting better engagement and adoption from more one-on-one remote trainings. Which makes a lot of sense but was certainly not what I expected to hear in a world where technology is applauding its mass collaboration tools. So I was ready for the unexpected take in a world where tech companies are always trumpeting their sexy initial investments from Biglaw heavies.

“If I were advising another startup I’d say start with Am Law 200 firms who will keep working with you on the product to get it better,” Norton said. “You can have closer connections and relationships with chief technical officers and partnership.” It makes a lot of sense. For a big firm to take a chance on a new product it’s naturally going to take some measure of control that tech companies may not be ready to cede. Small firms offer a lot of feedback, but if the users aren’t technically savvy themselves it may not translate into something that can drive the product forward. But mid-market firms may be a Goldilocks zone of tech development with dedicated IT professionals on staff to partner with, but not big enough to think they automatically own the process.

For Simply Agree, the expansion into the big firm world is underway, but relationships with mid-market firms remain invaluable as the transactional side undergoes a philosophical transformation with attorneys moving away from delegation and embracing more direct control of the whole process through tech.

There’s not a single path to innovation in any space, let alone the legal market. Maximizing revenue streams with big ticket commitments may work for some and it may burn others. Padding the coffers with venture capital money may ease the path to success for some while leaving others beholden to short-sighted masters. Monitoring a company’s path can shine a light for another aspiring product, but it can also help clients figure out exactly what kind of product they’re buying.

And a product that proved itself in the mid-market makes a compelling sales pitch.


HeadshotJoe Patrice is a senior editor at Above the Law and co-host of Thinking Like A Lawyer. Feel free to email any tips, questions, or comments. Follow him on Twitter if you’re interested in law, politics, and a healthy dose of college sports news. Joe also serves as a Managing Director at RPN Executive Search.

Is A Legal Reckoning Coming For Alex Jones?

Alex Jones of InfoWars (Photo by Drew Angerer/Getty Images)

On December 14, 2012, 26 people were murdered in Newtown, Connecticut, at the Sandy Hook Elementary School. When discussing this horrific tragedy on his show, conspiracy theorist Alex Jones did what conspiracy theorists and someone like Alex Jones would do: he made a bunch of vile claims that included things like the shooting was “a giant hoax,” “as phony as a three-dollar bill,” or a “false flag” operation intended as a pretext for new gun-control legislation.

As I expect any sane person can imagine, the surviving parents of the Sandy Hook victims were appalled and, in fact, some of them sued Jones in Texas (where Jones’ show is based) for defamation and emotional distress. In response, Jones asked the Texas courts to have the defamation claims dismissed by arguing his speech was protected by the First Amendment. In his brief to the Texas Supreme Court requesting cert, Jones argued that “[t]hroughout American history, many people have … dedicated time and resources to questioning official narratives and digging deep into stories to develop connections that others have not.”

Last month, however, the Texas Supreme Court rejected Jones’ cert petition and as a result the defamation claims can now proceed to trial (unless the cases are settled beforehand). An attorney who is representing one of the parents was reportedly and understandably pleased with the denial of cert saying that “Mr. Jones is learning that his frivolous efforts to delay this case will not spare him from the reckoning to come.”

In one of these defamation cases, my friend and law professor Derek Bambauer coauthored an amicus brief to the Texas Supreme Court arguing that the defamation claim against Jones should proceed. Over email, I spoke with him about this case and the current state of defamation law in general. Our conversation (edited for length) is below:

Tyler: One of the most horrible aspects of this case from my perspective was Alex Jones portraying Ms. De La Rosa [a parent of a Sandy Hook victim] as a public figure because she spoke to the media — at their request — concerning her son’s murder, and on a few occasions gave her opinions as to how other parents might not suffer that same tragedy in the future. Your brief goes into why, as a matter of public policy, it is important for the court to consider Ms. De La Rosa as a “private figure.” Why does the distinction between public and private figure matter? And why was it so important for public policy that Ms. De La Rosa be considered a private figure?

Derek: Ms. De La Rosa suffered the worst tragedy any parent can imagine. Before the killings, she was an ordinary person like the rest of us. Afterwards, in the midst of unfathomable grief, she answered a few questions put to her by a few of the large number of journalists who traveled to Sandy Hook to report on the murders. She neither was a celebrity nor became one, and she certainly did not seek out the public eye. (The argument that she did so is, in fact, morally repugnant.)

Defamation law has built-in protections to safeguard the open expression of ideas and opinions that is so central to our democratic tradition and to the First Amendment’s provisions. One of these is that people who are considered public figures — politicians especially, but also professional athletes, reality television stars, and the like — must be prepared to withstand greater criticism and commentary than private figures. This is partly because public figures are generally tied to important social issues: racism, electoral reform, climate change, and so on. And it is partly because public figures generally possess a formidable ability to defend themselves against accusations that they consider inaccurate. LeBron James and former President Donald Trump can get on broadcast and cable television literally anytime they want. Ms. De La Rosa, like most of the rest of us, cannot.

In legal terms, for someone who is a public figure to win a defamation claim, they must prove that the defendant spoke or wrote the statement at issue knowing it was false, or with a reckless disregard for whether it was false. (Lawyers call this standard “actual malice,” but that term tends to confuse more than it clarifies.) This makes it very difficult for public figures to win defamation cases, which is exactly the point: the genesis of this standard came from a case at the height of the civil rights movement, when police and politicians in the American South used defamation lawsuits (and complicit court systems) to silence the voices of civil rights activists and the journalists reporting their struggle. The Supreme Court, in New York Times v. Sullivan, acknowledged that there is a tradeoff: some defamation of public figures will occur without liability under this heightened standard, but society is better off having a robust debate over the issues of the moment even despite those harms.

By contrast, the standard for defamation of private figures is less searching. The Supreme Court has never ruled definitively on this issue, but it’s generally agreed that defamation law is constitutional if it imposes a standard of negligence towards whether a statement is true or not.

So, in many ways, the determination of whether a plaintiff is a public figure determines the outcome of the case. It is extremely hard to meet the burden of the actual malice standard. And this points up one of the key ironies of this case: Alex Jones thinks people like Ms. De La Rosa must take extraordinary care not even to chat briefly with the media after an event as traumatic as the murder of a loved one, lest they be considered a public figure. If she has even minimal contact, then someone like Jones — with a powerful media outlet at his disposal — need take scant if any precautions to verify his factual claims before broadcasting them to the world. She must be exacting, but he can be slipshod. I suspect that most readers will, like me, find that to be the very definition of chutzpah.

Tyler: Chutzpah indeed! I agree with you as to the proper distinction in this case certainly. But what about the role the internet and blogs and the Youtubes, TikToks, what have you, have done to blur the line between private and public figures and possibly now given everyone access or a potential voice in mass media? How do you see this new media technology having an impact on defamation cases moving forward?

Derek: Yes, in a sense, Justice Stevens was right in Reno v. ACLU when he said that with the internet, anyone can become a town crier with a voice that resonates farther than any soapbox could make possible. Some people have skillfully used the Net to actually achieve general fame; most who have tried remain known only to friends and family. This suggests that we need a third category — people who are “internet famous” in some circles but not others. I might have a passionate following for my reviews of computer keyboards, but not a single person who cares about my views on baseball. The best candidate for dealing with “internet famous” might well be the limited-purpose public figure. This is a doctrinal move that is relatively underdeveloped, but essentially holds that you may have individuals who are public figures for certain purposes or topics, but private figures for others. That’s a potentially appealing middle ground, especially if courts begin to develop standards of fault somewhere between negligence and actual malice. The limited purpose public figure doctrine could also allow courts to be a bit more sophisticated in their analysis, because it could incorporate both intent and effect. The greater the intent to achieve fame (or notoriety), and the greater the actual extent of that public recognition, the higher the standard of fault that an individual would need to prove to succeed in a defamation case. The courts are not always good with theories of the middle range — intermediate scrutiny in constitutional questions is frankly a mess — but I think this prospect is better than a collapse into a world where there are only public and private figures.

Tyler: High-profile defamation cases are in the news a lot lately. And given the amount of disinformation out there (and the damage it has reaped) many are probably thinking that liability should be expanded to go after perceived bad actors. Do you agree with the current limits on defamation law?

Derek: Expanding defamation liability has become popular on both sides of the political aisle of late (albeit more so in the Republican camp). But I think we should be very cautious before making any changes to the doctrine, for several reasons. First, we ought to see how some of the current litigation plays out. For example, there’s no evidence of any significant electoral fraud in the 2020 presidential election, but supporters of former President Trump have launched allegations against several voting machine manufacturers. It’s early days for that litigation, but in my view, the companies have a strong case — they have already elicited a number of retractions, even from media outlets, which is telling. Anything in the legal system takes time, perhaps more time than it should, but we need to be a bit patient and test the eventual outcomes.

Second, sometimes unlikely and seemingly defamatory stories turn out to be true. Who would have thought that the (now former) president paid over $100,000 to conceal an extramarital affair with an adult film actress? Harsher liability, or that imposed more readily, could easily chill reporting into these matters. I don’t much care who the president sleeps with, but there are many Americans who do, and who might well change their votes because of that.

Lastly, we’re in the early stages of a technological revolution — one that is at least the equal of the printing press. Digital networked information — in short, the internet — has unleashed a torrent of commentary and data and everything else. Information costs have declined remarkably — nearly to zero, in many cases. One of the virtues of a common law doctrine like defamation is that it is relatively cautious in breaking new ground or surrendering the old, guided by actual cases and with an eye towards the lessons of history. That sort of regulatory modesty is admirable when dealing with a technological upheaval this profound.

Tyler: Can defamation litigation make an impact on the level of disinformation out there?

Derek: In November, I would have said that defamation was effectively a dead letter in dealing with disinformation. But recently, the voting machine firm suits, the ability for the case of the Sandy Hook parents to move forward, and Rachel Maddow’s big win on attorneys’ fees have caused me to be more optimistic. If this is a trend and not an exception, defamation might be doing valuable work: it leverages distributed information and the strong motivation of targeted people and organizations to clear their names. And it operates within the set of institutional checks that our governments have developed over a long period of time, and that internet platforms are just beginning to mull over. So, stay tuned, but I might be changing my mind on this one.


Tyler Broker’s work has been published in the Gonzaga Law Review, the Albany Law Review, and is forthcoming in the University of Memphis Law Review. Feel free to email him or follow him on Twitter to discuss his column.

Impeachment, McConnell, And The Idea Of ‘Relentless Dissents’

This column is almost uniquely suited to this forum: It’s a thought on a topic of general interest that is probably too difficult to express in a sound bite to a lay audience, but that the average reader here will immediately understand.

Early last week, the Senate voted 55-45 that it was constitutional to impeach a sitting president and later to convict him after he was out of office.

Democrats promptly argued that the constitutionality of the impeachment trial had been decided. Even the 45 Republicans who had voted against constitutionality had a duty to respect precedent, Democrats said, and those Republicans should now judge the case on the merits. Some Democrats likened the vote on constitutionality to a pretrial decision on jurisdiction — once a court decides in a pretrial motion that it has jurisdiction, the parties then proceed on the merits. The parties can’t refuse to participate based on the jurisdictional objection.

Late last week, the Senate voted 43-57 to acquit former President Trump in the impeachment trial.

After the acquittal, Senator Mitch McConnell gave a speech in which he said that Trump was “practically and morally responsible” for the storming of the Capitol on January 6, but that McConnell was compelled to vote for acquittal, because, as he had voted (and lost) earlier in the week, the Senate had “no power” to convict Trump.

That’s the windup; here’s the pitch: Both Democrats and Republicans are thinking about this (or at least arguing it publicly) the wrong way.

Suppose you’re a Supreme Court justice, and you dissent in a case. You think the Supreme Court has decided the case incorrectly, and you express that opinion.

A later case comes up in which the same basic issue is in play. What do you do now — follow the existing precedent (with which you have said you disagreed) or dissent again (to express your disagreement, even though the law is now decided against you)?

There are at least two ways to think about this. The first is the position taken by Justices Brennan and Marshall, who famously dissented in every death penalty case that came before the Supreme Court. Those justices didn’t care that the Supreme Court had ruled the death penalty constitutional, and those justices didn’t think that they were compelled to follow precedent. They “relentlessly dissented.”

But other justices operate differently (although on issues less morally demanding than the death penalty). Justice Harlan, for example, would say that he was offering “temporary allegiance” to the precedent with which he disagreed: Harlan expressed in the first case that he disagreed with the Court’s position; after that, he would temporarily respect precedent and decide the new case on the merits, because he thought that stare decisis required this.

Isn’t this the correct way to view the constitutionality of the impeachment trial? The Senate decided that the trial was constitutional. After that, McConnell had a choice: Would he respect precedent and decide the case on the merits, or would he “relentlessly dissent”?

I’m not going to decide this question here; I’m simply noting that this was a choice. For McConnell to say that he was compelled to acquit because the trial was unconstitutional is simply not true. McConnell had the choice either (1) to respect the Senate’s recently decided precedent and reach the merits or (2) to relentlessly dissent. But there’s no compulsion to choose one or the other of those paths. McConnell voluntarily chose to relentlessly dissent, and thus voluntarily chose to acquit Trump. But McConnell plainly had the option, if he had preferred, to express “temporary allegiance” to Senate precedent and then vote to convict.


Mark Herrmann spent 17 years as a partner at a leading international law firm and is now deputy general counsel at a large international company. He is the author of The Curmudgeon’s Guide to Practicing Law and Drug and Device Product Liability Litigation Strategy (affiliate links). You can reach him by email at inhouse@abovethelaw.com.